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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 28, 2009 4:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

Hey all--this isn't what CPW asked, but his comment got me thinking it would be okay to mention it (ie, about other artists...).

This is the one DEAD song that others frequently have told me..."WTF? that sucks!" and I have never really understood why. Now, truth be told, of course, it is a bit past my "era", but during the day I was attending I did listen to it many times and thought they did a good job. But, this is NOT what others (ie, non DEAD sorts) think.

At least in my experience. I think it is the one song that is most commented on in this respect.

Any ideas why?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 28, 2009 4:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

" Any ideas why? "

If they're listening to an 80's and beyond version I could see why. I find Dark Star and out there stuff to turn people off the most.

Anyone who can't see the brilliance of the way they played NFA>GDTRFB circa 71 needs to pull their head outta their arse.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 28, 2009 4:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

I always thought so...but, again, that would be the era I usu added to a "mix tape/CD" that I would provide to these miscreants. Often it would be from S&R, or some other 71 era show...

Now, I would say, "listen to the drumming!" or the "jamming!" and I think it might be they were more impressed with it be a "singing" song (if you follow) rather than a "jamming" song (thus, they would refer to Stones or Holly versions, in which I admit the singing is better...can I do that?).

But my view was the DEAD did so much more with it that it should have been elevated above those 3 min versions the folks would focus on...to be honest, some of these folks do "like" what else I would provide them with, so it isn't just that they are uniformly "ain't DEAD" or some such.

Hard to say...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 28, 2009 5:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

to me this tune is one of THE quintessential examples of what the band could do. The way they weave in and out of each other is nothing short of brilliance. Now mind you I'm mostly referring to 71 era. Once they dropped the GDTRFB combo I lose interest in the song ESPECIALLY those lame 80's versions. Sorry. Also, I NEVER did that damn clapping crap either, I detested it.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 30, 2009 4:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

I agree on the clapping too, but like the 80s except for the predictable pairing.

The Dead's version seemed more cosmic than others I'd heard before but maybe it was just a later mood.

But not really, it's more like seeing that some silly love songs are not about people per se, like George Harrison's "Fish on the Sand." Or they may be about both a lover and God as in some gospel or soul songs.

But I never got that connection from a rock band except for the GD, esp when the spirit moved them. O - bold as X. (Pick your bridge or airport it seems.)

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Aug 28, 2009 5:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

I used to like the way the Dead played NFA - in '70, '71, like on Skull and Roses, and the version they did on New Years Eve '78 with John Cipollina, watching that on TV that nite was a treat...
but soon after that I got hold of an old Brunswick single by the Crickets, as well as an old 45 by The Stones doing NFA...

and then I heard the essence of the song, stripped down to it's bare bones...
no frills, no drum solos, no extented solos, no medly...

just pure rock and roll, in Bo Diddley beat with a rockabilly snarl.

And I found out what CAN be done in 3 minutes...
brevity is sometimes the art of rock.


But, I'm glad whirlwind dreamer, like me, likes primitive swirling Grateful Dead at their punky funky '66 best...

To be sure they got so much more sophisticated and adept with their sound...

so I'd never say they were at their peak in '66 - that's not even funny.

But I do have a taste for that raw rough unpolished wham bam slam bang roots of the evolved Grateful Dead we've come to accept as the real deal.

This post was modified by cream-puff-war on 2009-08-29 00:47:16

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 28, 2009 5:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

that's ok - i prefer well alright by buddy over blind faith.

Rave on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y9gb3NUGkk

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 28, 2009 5:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

tru dat. though it pains a bit to say it.

but, the best cover of a Holly tune, IMHO is Humble Pie doing Heartbeat.

that one is amazing.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 28, 2009 6:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

yep, that's what I think it is...

another related example (Stones) is the song Tumbling Dice. I really like Ronstadt, but when you hear Mick do that, his voice just fits perfectly, and hers doesn't work as well.

another would be Jolene...Dolly is fantastic, but I like Jack White a bit better.

these latter songs are examples of what I was getting at in which the "singing" is the key, and it can really depend on who you like, etc., as to who you think does it best.